M. Scott Peck, noted psychiatrist has defined human evil as being anti-life, realizing this makes living in a small town like IF very interesting. One can see the effects of untreated and undiagnosed evil all around. One example is what happens when a person responds to someone's blogs in a way that is unpopular. They automatically become tagged as biased and become objects of hatred by those in opposition and proclaimed to be biggoted. Now I'm not claiming that this makes one evil, such a diagnoses belongs to a different discipline than the one I profess. When some have posted how they are better than someone else merely because of the position the other person takes, I belive that to be such an indication. Such responses to blogs become life draining, the very definition of evil, and the continuing posts tend become more and more immature in response to others and lower themselves to unbelievable levels of behavior. Often times they draw others to the same levels of energy drainig behavior that they themselves exhibit. Another example is when the behavior of someone is destructive to those around them, draining the life force from them until the person becomes emotionally numb, or suicidal, as if they are a vampire of sorts draining those they come into contact with slowly and by degrees. The question of the day: Do you believe that evil exists in human beings what does it look like and how should it be treated when discovered?
Concernedperson, I said this...
Back to page topConcernedperson,
I said this in a previous entry; that the "I'm better than you" comments were meant as a verbal caricature of the sentiments motivating people to perpetuate blogs. Simply put, it was an artistic expression of a very real, very present human fault. It's that subconscious "This SOB is soooo wrong; I'm the one with the truth and this person should listen to ME". Unless someone lives 24/7 in the unconscious world of habitual meditation and prayer, they will ALWAYS subconsciously continue arguing because they think some aspect of themselves is better than the one in their contemporary. If a person thinks they're better than that, I'll show you either a lifelong Tibetan Buddhist OR someone who thinks their morning constitutionals smell like lilacs and rose water.
[the rest excised because of concernedperson's response below]
Sorry joe, I hadn't put...
Back to page topSorry joe, I hadn't put together the blog as well as I wanted the first time out. Please read the updated version.
Hey concerned, Yeah, I read...
Back to page topHey concerned,
Yeah, I read it and it's got some interesting points. I tried reading Peck's The Road Less Travelled at one point but I didn't get very far; for what reason I don't recall.
But, from a poetic perspective, draining others of life is--on a grand scale--the essence of sustaining one's own life. In a physical way, the killing of another is how we live, whether it's a cow, a plant, or a seed. The killing of living beings by other living beings is as timeless as the sun rising and setting on the amoeba.
But the psychic (and I mean, "psychological") lowering of another is probably another way of providing sustenance to one's psyche in the solitude and bitter cold of the north woods. Yeah, sure, I'm in that boat. And it feels good because it's a faceless and nameless way of proving to my own mind that I'm still alive because I can provoke a reaction in other living beings. But face-to-face, the ego evaporates when confronted with the politically illiterate housewife who makes the best blueberry pies ever, the religious human ewe who makes a fantastic mother, or the drinking buddy who's dumber than rocks but who gives you a half-cord of wood because you need it.
Different mediums bring out different parts of the human character. That's what it's reducible to, I think. We're all human.
On another level, I saw the face of human evil in an online video called "Earthlings". By no means have I ever been a PETA sympathizer (at all, ever and never); I hunt and fish and love rare meat. (I really do and I'll never be accused of being that sort because I'll claim sportsman's rights at the first opportunity and raise my guns high and proudly.) But when I saw clips of pigs eating each other alive in pens and Chinamen skinning live dogs who could merely blink their fleshless eyelids and bleed out, I was shocked enough to send it on to others. Surprisingly, the reaction of other hunters and fishermen was, "Humans are so g0dd@mned evil. We should all die."
If you can handle it, this is the worst face of human evil I've EVER seen:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1282796533661048967&q=earthling...
Yes, I believe evil exists...
Back to page topYes, I believe evil exists inside human beings. I believe it manifests itself in the form of rape, murder, torture, terror, mulitation, molestation, etc, etc... Personally, I believe in capital punishment, but at the very least, once discovered, these types of people should be permantly imprisoned.
I don't think being immature on the internet, thinking they are better than anyone else, accusing someone of bigotry, or any of the other things mentioned, qualifies as evil. These people cannot draw anyone to "the same level of maturity that they themselves exhibit" unless that person allows them to do so. We are responsible for our own actions and no one can force us to respond in a similarly immature manner... we do that all on our own! :o)
When faced with a person displaying the behavior you described, I believe we should gracefully walk away before we allow ourselves to say things we will later regret; say your piece and let that be the end of it.
If these blog/forums/discussions become "life-draining" then I would seriously suggest taking a break and evaluating your priorities. I definitely understand being passionate for what you believe in, but when it becomes life-draining, interferes with your "normal" life, or when it causes undue stress then the price of that passion is too high. I'm not saying that anyone should abandon their causes, but I do believe that they should take a step back and evaluate what is going on and what those causes are doing to themselves - and possibly others around them. If it's doing more harm than good, then I think it's time to back out and find something new.
Sometimes our need to be right or to be "agreed with" frequently overrules our better judgement and leads us down a path we would not normally want to go. We need to understand that we will not convince everyone to agree with us and we will not always prove ourselves right. Sometimes people don't agree and that's just the way it is. This is true whether it be politics, religion, parenting, the best way to grow a tomato - anything!
Marty: very well put, a very...
Back to page topMarty: very well put, a very intelligent and well thought out post!
Having been in the military and law enforcement, I used to think I had seen the worst that a person could do to another person or a helpless animal, then was confronted with another atrocity that rattled me even more. It got to the point that I used to look at almost everyone with a jaded view, wondering what lay hidden in their past or what they do when the lights go out (I have found that evil prefers darkness). And I realized that was a pretty hypocritical way to face the world and "restructured" my thinking and attitudes about people...its a choice one has to make: look at people wondering what evil they had wrought, or find the goodness in them. I recall many years ago a local priest--one of the most saintly men I have ever had the pleasure to know--told me he knew full well that there was nothing he was not capable of doing when it came to sin. Any time there is human discourse, you will see the heights of nobility and the lowest of lows, and I have been guilty of saying some pretty atrocious and just plain mean things to some one I have never met because of something they posted that I took exception to....and I, to have had to be honest with myself and say there is nothing I am not capable of doing. I just pray that when the time comes for me to make a potentially very bad decision that I am able to step back and change course.
I have gone back and read some of my posts (on this and other sites) and was shocked at what I had written and wish it was not too late to edit my comments. Ultimately we have to be our own barometer when posting, because just like a bullet or a spoken word, once its on its way it cannot be taken back. I have been involved in numerous altercations in the line of duty (and a few out side the line of duty) and have received some pretty good beatings, but none of those compared with the hurt I have felt at what hatred filled poison was directed at me, sometimes by people I personally knew, and was hurt to the core of my being...and pray that I have not hurt someone else that badly with vitriolic words of mine. You would not believe (well, maybe you would :-) the horrible things people have directed at me for ending all of my posts
One nation under God
Klloyd, because indeed you...
Back to page topKlloyd, because indeed you have served as you have, you would definately have seen evil in all of its terrible manifestations. M. Scott Peck also gives the following indications of evil lurking beneath the surface: Excessive narcissm, that is the person always looks good, does a lot of things to look good such as community service. Generally occupy some position of authority such as the Priest who molests, or the politician who totally disregards to nurture their children, or the parent who gives a sibling the same gun that his/her brother or sister used to commit suicide. And yes they prefer the dark to hide their deeds, they avoid any type of examination, lest they be discovered. Another indication Peck suggests is confusion, whenever a person becomes confused by the statements and actions of the identified subject, that is a clue that something is not quite right, and finally personal revulsion, that is the great desire to get away from the subject and to avoid that person.
One's perspective of evil is...
Back to page topOne's perspective of evil is a bit dependent on one's experience, as expressed so wonderfully by klloyd above, and by Marty above him. There are combinations and permutations of experience. For instance, someone who's never left I. Falls may never have met a Muslim, an atheist, or an illegal immigrant, and so it's easy for that person to categorize them all as evil. But as klloyd said, his experience showed him enough evil in the world around him that he probably didn't need labels like "atheist" or "murderer" to be able to doubt the nature of the smiling faces around him.
I just hate it when someone (probably like concernedperson) thinks their definition of "human evil" is found within the postings of a fervent agnostic when their own brother, or neighbor, or friend is raping his daughter every night. My words--no words--compare to that, and to think they do is an expression of limited experience.
Joe, your reply made print...
Back to page topJoe, your reply made print today, enjoy your fame, or infamy.
Your reply only highlights exactly what Dr. Peck has said about evil. I don't hate anyone no matter thier political, or theological position. If you even had a clue to who I am you would never indicate such things, to do so show slanted myopic thinking, but for you I imagine thats merely the norm. To this point only one side of my issue has been discussed, no one has indicated what we as a peace loving, free society should do with those whom we recognize as being evil. Do we lock them away even if they haven't committed crimes against others? Or do we as a society try to rehabilitate them? It all depends on your definition of what constitutes evil doesn't it?
Joe, I have indeed met an...
Back to page topJoe, I have indeed met an atheist, a muslim, and an illegal immigrant here in IF. I would not classify any of them as evil, and the muslim and I are good friends. Sorry to burst your balloon ****. If you want to compare experience, you don't even begin to be in my league. If its a matter of grey matter, I have absorbed far more information and education than you would begin to believe.
Once upon a time far, far...
Back to page topOnce upon a time far, far away, I was a serious drunk driver. I drove for a living, high as a kite. That’s evil. One night, the evil within me met the evil within someone else . . .
I drove a medallioned, New York City yellow cab. I drove both good and bad neighborhoods, alone, (before cell phones) with no 2-way radio. When it got hairy, I had no back-up. Drinking and smoking dope was my coping mechanism . . . I didn’t consider myself evil. I had an excuse. Every day, before hitting the streets, I needed a drink. The obsession, the evil obsession destroyed everything in my life. Like concerned person says, the definition of evil is anti-life.
On workdays, consciousness, for me, typically began around noon. My wife was already at work on Madison Avenue making twice the money I did. I saw once a week. When I crawled into bed at five in the morning she had an hour before her alarm went off. I awoke alone and so did she. Only on Sundays did our schedules match. As a result we got on okay. On average we only argued once a week. Mostly we fought over money. I drank and smoked dope which cut into our budget a tad. She just didn’t understand me. I needed to be stoned to do what I did. When I emerged from my daily coma, I was, naturally enough, hungover and dry heaving in the general direction of my bedside waste basket. My hands would tremble and I cursed the fact that my bar tab precluded funds for a .38 Special.
My dispatcher didn’t give a ****** where, what or who I did out in the street, as long as I appeared sober at his window. The day gamblers pulled in, engines running, while the night guys jumped in checked with their clipboards and gear. I was one of the latter. Each afternoon at four sharp, it was time once again to play “You Bet Your Life.” The Bet: A large, up-front fee. (The lease and gas.) The wager: I’d come out ahead twelve hours later. Why did I do it? Ask any cop, fireman or ambulance driver. Adrenaline was the name of the game. The drinker’s excuse? The rush was so intense I used booze to “knock off the edge.” If my meter and worked, I was good to go. Out of the gate, my first stop was the corner liquor store. Then, under the Westside Highway, my pre-flight check-off began: Music tapes? Check. Enough dope ‘til landing? Check. Tire iron under the seat? Check. Enough change for a twenty? Check.
Blast-off was uncorking a fifth of vodka and a few tokes off of my hash pipe. Then I’d wait for the shaking to smooth away towards false serenity. Back then, when asked by NYPD to do a roadside sobriety test, I was able to stand on one foot, close my eyes, touch my nose and sing “I’m A Yankee Doodle Dandy.” More than once, the cop had been drinking also. The bottom line: I was always given a pass. In my entire life, I have never been cited. God protects the drunks? I don’t think so. The father of all lies does that Evil loves drunk drivers. He wants to keep us on the streets until we kill some innocent somebody. At the time, I knew nothing of “how it works,” all I knew is booze worked it’s magic and made me fearlessness. After sitting awhile the frying pan of the Westside’s, Hell’s Kitchen, I was ready. When supreme confidence replaced sober doubt, I dropped the tranny into “DRIVE” while calculating where “the fish” were biting: Midtown. Rush hour.
Yes, taxis are dangerous. According to the U. S. Department of Labor, being in a cab is one of the ten most dangerous places you can be. Being in my cab worsened the odds. Why shouldn't it? I hated my life and myself. Evil was destroying me.
Other drivers, the riding public, and pedestrians characterize cabbies are “losers.” This rubs off. Spouses go for it. In the end, my wife was ashamed to introduce me to new people. A New Yorker’s first question is always, “What do you do?” To my wife’s chagrin, I told them. If she were asked, “What does your husband do?”she’d say, “He’s a writer.” This sort of thing wore me down.
You see, I met my (soon to be ex) wife at The Woodstock Festival. It was wonderful! At our city hall wedding a couple of months later, we vowed “to have and to hold through thick and thin.” Easy to do when things are thick with promise. Once, after I informed Ellie I’d refused my gay literary agent’s sexual advance, Ellie roared, “ I married a cab driver!” She was mad that I turned the guy down. He held out the brass ring of fame and fortune. I had already published a book. It was “evil” that my wife spit in my face and turned away. The agent was evil. He told me that if I didn’t go to bed with him I would never sell another thing. He was the biggest agent in New York and he could do (and did) what he said he could do: Make or break me. For me, as I wiped spittle from my eye . . . that was the day, “the music died.” My shining armor rusted, my steed pulled up lame, and I grew a whiter shade of pale.
Now, back when I was a rookie cabby, I was actually proud to be a taxi driver. It took guts, fortitude, geographic memory and knowledge. I had to drive aggressively and defensively at the same time. I had to act cool when struck with fear. I couldn’t freeze while pushing the envelop. I needed the hand/eye coordination of a shuttle pilot and had to know where to be (and when to be there). The constantly running tab: Money versus time. Where can I take a whiz?
I had my share of “run outs.” (Punks who ran without paying). When that happened, I had to calculate whether the chase was worth it. What would happen for instance, if I catch the mother and he pulled a knife? What if my cab was jacked while chasing some creep? In order to survive, I had to honor rationality over anger. Ever try to act rational while drinking? It can be done. I did it daily. Why not an astronaut?
There are a dozen ways to be robbed if you drive a cab: “Driver! Get me to JFK! And STEP ON IT!” (If I don’t speed, no tip). So, I speed . . . I get snagged. The cop: “You were doing eighty-five in a fifty-five! Sign here!" Another way to get robbed was contending with those who pretended you’d hit them in a crosswalk. Other problems: I had to grease palms at the garage or suffer the consequences. The dispatcher got five, the gas jockey and tow truck dudes got a couple. Then, when I cashed out, I had to pay a different dispatcher to keep him happy. The riding public doesn’t know it, but they aren’t the only ones expected to tip. ****** runs downhill.
In the beginning, when veteran drivers slack jawed me with, “What? You drive in Harlem?” I picked up everybody and took them everywhere. I opened doors. I never took “the long way,” short changed or ran lights. I was courteous to a fault. I carried a 35 mm Pentax on the seat and an imaginary .38 Smith & Wesson in my waistband. I kept my windshield spotless and took award worthy photos and wrote screenplays on the side. Before things “went south” in my marriage, Ellie proudly presented me to her co-workers as the writer who’d penned The Sign of The Fool. (thesignofthefool.com) She couldn’t wait to tell them that once a week her husband was on The Bob Fass Radio Show as “The Lonesome Cab Driver.”
By the time I left the taxi industry, I had three unsold screenplays, an unsold book (Cab Karma), a wrecked marriage and a severe alcohol problem. Alcohol dependant that I was, it was a short leap to death on the installment plan. At the end I didn’t give ****** about you or anybody. I was suicidal and didn’t care if I took a few folks along with me. I left New York for parts unknown without even a fair-thee-well to Bob Fass or anybody. I considered myself dead and would just as soon let everyone who knew me think of me in that way.
Finally, inevitably, I came to the end of the road as a N.Y. cabby. It was the end of the shift. Four in the morning. I’d stopped at the Fulton Fish Market to clean out the cab and smoke a joint. It had been a good night. I hadn’t killed anybody and I was still free without bail. I finished wiping down the upholstery, searched for change under the seats, took a whizz and pushed off. Just minutes from base, a Wall Street type hailed me. It never failed, greed slammed on the brakes. Torn between money or slumping in a coma, I feebly pointed towards my “Off Duty” sign. A ritual had to be played out. His part was to clasp his hands in a prayer gesture. Mine was to rub my chin and seem to consider the outcome. My window was down. I said the magic words: “Where you headed?”
“Just a few blocks. First and First.” He piled in. I hit the meter. So far, so good. It was a quick trip. Easy money. A hundred yards from our destination, the guy says, “ Near, left hand corner.” He was polite. He had his wallet out. Then, BANG! From up ahead, a sharp pistol crack reverberated between the canyon walls. “Ah oh” . . . I slowed to a creep, scanning everything. My head swivel danced in a continuous arc. I glanced in my rearview. Mr. Dow Jones seemed strangely oblivious as he poked around. Nothing stirred. The street was without movement . Dead quite. Maybe it’s me. “Yeah, I’m wacked,” I thought to myself. I’m hearing things. “This is good,” my passenger called out. We stopped. To my left, a neighborhood bar was closing up. I couldn’t help but notice the twenty something Latino was staggering towards me. BLAM! A blue flame from inside the bar, released it’s second payload. A beautiful woman and an angry old man emerged. He held a pistol in one hand and her hair with the other. The target of his rage fell against my door frame and flopped face up. Two neat little holes adorned his chest. From what seemed far away, I heard my passenger screaming “Get out of here!” My brain was offline. I couldn’t compute. My hysterical passenger was simultaneously clear and unintelligible. My “street smarts” were gone. I was no longer “hip.” For a heartbeat, common sense failed me. “GET OUT OF HERE!” I blinked. I re-booted. My fog lifted. I hit the gas. My cigar box flew. My cab spun wildly into the intersection. I took peek. We were headed for a row of parked cars. I sat up, regaining control. “Let me out! Let me out! LET ME OUT! LET ME OUT!” My fare screamed. Yeah, okay already. My passenger threw a few bills and hit the ground running. I shot down the avenue a couple of blocks and parked. Couldn’t move for 20 minutes. That’s how long it took for my next shot of vodka to make me okay again.
I have shed my evil ways, the worst I do now is put down joespoon04. No, I don’t even do that any more. I will no longer answer or engage joespoon04. For I recognize a certain darkness in him that I recognize. I will not engage in it or be baited or pulled down to muck around with him. If someone wishes to engage me in a positive, constructive way. I’ll engage them. If it is divisive name calling and negative wailing . . . well then, I’ll just lay back and let them gnash their teeth. I’ve been on that dirt track, I’m on the high road now and intend to stay the course that leads my soul upward and into the light of Christ. Shadows and darkness, name calling and evil can stagnate in the scum ponds below. I have reached downward, been rejected and must let it go. That or tumble back down the ladder into drinking and drugging and all manner of false things that lead to destruction and anti-life. Death.
Smart decision if writing...
Back to page topSmart decision if writing isn't your first choice. Life isn't so great down here with me, but the writing lasts.
Mongo, Thank you for making...
Back to page topMongo, Thank you for making me smarter today than yesterday. You somehow answered a life long question for me. I visited the website for thesignofthefool.com and was further surprised. Your wisdom is of the earned type. The type that has the ability based on Joe's reply above to take Joe's breath away and at least half of his keyboard.
I have only said this once before and he was 92 years young at the time, but you are wise beyond your years Mongo. An afternoon with you would be like getting a "life degree". Can't wait to get the book and then your new one. Are you in town or out? Hope you will continue to ad your thoughts to these blogs. It's a clean, crisp breath of fresh air. Thanks again!
Schmitty, "Take [my] breath...
Back to page topSchmitty,
"Take [my] breath away"? You're kidding, right? I can copy and paste pages of writing I wrote years ago, too.
But Mongo had a good point. I DO dwell in the world that makes books worth reading. Who wants to read about a bland, uneventful life at the end of 53? Mongo saw that likeness between me and his past, and it was right-on.
The only difference is that I won't turn to a God who doesn't exist, retard.
Mongo makes a very good...
Back to page topMongo makes a very good point. And Joe seems to it because he is still under the illusion that people want another Kerouac and another Jim Morrison and another Cobain. The drug-addled self-destructive rebel writer is a tired trope of American pop culture. "Bland, uneventful life at the end of highway 53?" Enduring writers tend to find places like that -- Orhan Pamuk's Istanbul, Walker Percy's Mississippi, Faulkner's Oxford Mississippi, Thomas Mann's Luebeck, Jane Austen's Bath. Minnesota's finest writer of adolescent fiction is living at the end of highway 53. Bill Holm, Robert Coover, Tim O'Brien, and Sinclair Lewis have all come up 53 for a chapter in their writing lives. I would be less surprised if Mongo wrote the next great Minnesota book than if Joe Spoon did. I suspect, however, that the blogging life is taking the writing energies of most of us and squandering them the same way the drugs and alcohol did for young Mongo.
Yep, tbrand, you're right. I...
Back to page topYep, tbrand, you're right. I had forgotten that most successful, lasting writers never drank.
Two of the five I listed...
Back to page topTwo of the five I listed drank. And it shortened their careers the way it shortened Hemingways. And it only seemed to them to make their writing better as they got deeper into the bottle. Kind of the way Hunter S. got more profound at the end --but only to himself. I believe the topic of this is the psychology of evil. Good writers certainly explore it; succumbing to it is not, however, the requirement of the profession.
Schmitty53 and tbrand, thank...
Back to page topSchmitty53 and tbrand, thank you for your kind posts. I live in International Falls. I’ve lived all over (including so-called tropical paradises) and nothing compares to this wonderful town. You may have seen me bell ringing at Super One this past Christmas season. I was the big guy with the wild white beard. Anyway, onto the subject of writing . . .
I used to believe I did my best writing with a bottle of vodka and a twenty dollar bag sitting next to my typewriter. Twenty-something, my philosophy was to write first drafts, real, loosey- goosey. In-other-words . . . stoned. Smashed beyond all recognition of sentience. These raw drafts were written with no holds barred. Everything and anything that remotely struck my brain-pan was included. No internal self editing before striking the keys while drunk! (No sir!) However, the next day I’d edit the previous day’s material with a gallon of black coffee. I edited with a meat axe. Average pare downs were fifteen pages to three. Then I’d get loaded for that days fresh output. To my distorted thinking, this system created a natural balance. In the 70's, I believed this was a great system . . .
Nobody can teach creative writing. People pay good money to go to “Creative Writing 101." You can take such classes all you want, but only practice, practice, practice will improve your skills. I’ve nearly completed sixty-two orbits around our local star. During the last fifty-five passes, I’ve been working with words, sentences, paragraphs, chapters and verses and I’m still far from good. Joespoon04 is right, he’s better than me. I enjoy writing however, whether it pays or not. If a person doesn’t enjoy what they do . . .
Combining drinking and drugging with writing was a detour rather than a dead end for me. Alcoholic authors who fell over the cliff, never reached the next stage. Sublime scripting. Where before it was work and agony to write, post drink penning is pure joy. It’s so easy now. Rough and final drafts don’t look like two different authors were at work. Any fifteen pages I write today whittles down to thirteen. The greatest thing though, has nothing to do with writing. I feel clean. Priceless.
I have not become rich and famous. Fame and money has a lot to do with sexual favors along the way. Having talent is not enough. “Paying your dues” is code for whoring yourself up the ladder. It matters not . . . which “Art.” I’m not being cynical here . . . this is not sour grapes. There are exceptions (of course) but to REALLY make it in the entertainment industry, somewhere along the path, most artists will be confronted with the evils of the good old “casting couch.” This is not a trivial thing. It’s nothing less than facing yourself squarely for the first time perhaps. This is the moment when one discovers who they are and what they’re made of. Can you put a price tag on your self respect or not? This is when your sense of value and self honor is at stake. It’s at this crossroads where one learns just how much they love money and thirst after fame versus the very core of their being. It’s akin to either signing the Devil’s contract or turning way.
Alcohol and drugs are also a contract with old Scratch. Not as overt, but in the end, soul suicide looks much the same. A few years of joy and being a filthy rich big-shot, versus . . .
Becoming evil requires complicity. It doesn’t just reach out and randomly grab any old shmuck. It has to be acquiesced to. It needs an invitation. Is it worth it? For some, yes. Myself? Well, not being able to look myself in the eye while shaving . . . what can I tell you? For me, no amount of money or fame is worth the exchange. I‘ve never regretted correct moral choices that led to poverty. I am rich however. In the coin of the (off-planet) Realm. Money that can be passed on and taken with you, at the same time. I have learned only one thing:
Love is the currency of the Universe . . .
anything less, is counterfeit.
For all other lessons, contact Joespoon04 . . . he’s better than me.
its great to see everyone is...
Back to page topits great to see everyone is soooo above namecalling baiting and sarcasm. if everyones "better" than "I'm better than you's" then why are people suttley arguing with joespooner still? oh ya people like your wayyy better and sooo enlitened at least spooner said exactly what it is that makes people argue why would i argue if i didnt think i was better in someway noobs
Hey Jackpine04, got an axe...
Back to page topHey Jackpine04, got an axe to grind? First learn to spell, then
e-mail your troubles to me: avoidyellowsnow@hotmail.com
By-the-way, Joespoon04 is a big boy, why did he ask you to run interference for him? Why did you accept? You guys belong to the “04 Club,” right? I didn’t hire a referee. Don't need one. I'm not a boy. To become men, you guys should learn to fight your own battles and avoid other folks' business . . . AND yellow snow.
hey mong. who you think you...
Back to page tophey mong. who you think you is, bein all pedantic and shizzle? i aint your "boy" neither and im positive you aint nothin but an old white dude bouyed enough by yous compatriots dat you think you in a professor role now. howz dat role feel since it all made up and shizzle? ya you in chawge on hear as much as i is in chawge of mine erythrocytes and fibroblasts healin my ligaments. aint nothin wrong in hear non son, you ain't shovel, and think bout what you sayin anyway. YOU WOULDN'T BE ARGUING IF YOU DIDN'T THINK YOU WERE BETTER THAN SOMEONE IN SOME WAY. THAT'S WHAT ONLINE ARGUMENT IS, YOU NON-SELF-AWARE SILLY TOOL.
To Jackpine04: TWENTY...
Back to page topTo Jackpine04:
TWENTY THINGS I DON’T DO:
#1) With some exceptions, engage in swordsmanship with kids.
#2) Pretend I’m something I’m not.
#3) Hide behind false masks.
#4) Think I know more than folks 4 times my age.
#5) Think I’m slick, hip and cool because I’m brand new.
#6) Think I’m smarter than the average person.
#7) Think I know everything.
#8) Discount folks older than myself.
#9) Discount folks my own age.
#10) Discount folks born yesterday.
#11) Discount folks of other races.
#12) Discount folks of other religions.
#13) Discount folks of limited experience.
#14) Discount educated folks.
#15) Discount ignorant folks.
#16) Discount folks I know.
#17) Discount folks I don’t know.
#18) Use people for my own ends.
#19) Believe I’m the star of my movie and you're a bit player.
#20) Think there’s no higher power than myself.
TWENTY THINGS I DID BEFORE I MATURED:
#1) All of the above
SOMETHING I TRY NOT TO DO IF I WISH TO BE UNDERSTOOD:
Speak in combinations of Rap/Swahili/English and street slang to confuse verbal opponents with jive instead of facts.
SOMETHING I AM CAPABLE OF: Speaking Swahili.
#1) Hata ukinichukia la kweli nitakwambia
#2) Hasidi hana sababu
#3) Fitina yako faida yangu
#4) Ewe Mola tuepushe na mahasidi
#5) Chokochoko si njema mchague la kusema
#6) Chokochoko mchokoe pweza, binadamu hutamweza
#7) Asiyekujua hakuthamini
#8) Kikulacho kinguoni mwako
#9) Kupata si werevu, na kukosa si ujinga
#10) Kidogo changu pokea na dua njema nakuombea
i know i know. your better...
Back to page topi know i know. your better than me.
I think you took that all...
Back to page topI think you took that all wrong Jack, Mongo was saying something other than the message you recieved. Let me try to translate for you:
I am the same as all of you, please don't make the same mistakes that you receive from reading Joe. Have a good day.
concernedperson i think you...
Back to page topconcernedperson i think you may have missed the point of the exercise
Kali Mongo!...
Back to page topKali Mongo!
Safi conceredperson!......
Back to page topSafi conceredperson!...
I hate to argue with what...
Back to page topI hate to argue with what seems like such airtight logic but there's another possibility I'd like to have young 04 consider: one can put forth arguments that are superior without actually implying any sort of superiority. Most debate is about the strength of argument, not the strength of arguers. And if the only tactic you have against superior arguments is to attack the source, you will have a tough time in this world.
most online argument is...
Back to page topmost online argument is about emotions, ego and hurt. whenever a belief system is involved it's never about facts because you can't factually support most articles of personal faith. i want experience in the world like joe but i go to church and believe in god like mongo. both those dudes think there awesome. hence an argument about emotions, ego and hurt. if joe-mongo werent such hacks, there might be a real debate.
Jack, perhaps your right...
Back to page topJack, perhaps your right about articles of faith with this one exception: The Holy Scriptures minus the apocrapha. To put in other words most Christian churches affirm this: We believe that the scriptures of the old and new testament were given by the inspiation of God and that they only constitute the divine rule of Christian faith and practice. The trinity, the divine and human nature of Jesus, the great judgement at the end of the world (which is quickly hastening) the endless punishment of the wicked, and the reward of the righteous. These are the foundations of Christian belief. It wouldn't matter which Christian church you attend most believe this in one form or another.
I used to be like Joe, and I believe Mongo has made the same claim, to want to have experiences of Joe would be to turn away from your faith, something I once did and found not worth the cost to my sanity, and health, not to mention my finances. Please accept my heartfelt desire to save you from much personal pain, and heartache, and from something from which you might not return. Mongo, I believe could share the same sentiments with you, and tell you how hard it is to return to the faith.
To call others names online does not represent Christian ethics, please remember that when you speak, or write as a Christian you don't just represent yourself, but millions of other Christians who may not agree with your viewpoint or your personal expressions, but will allow the Holy Spirit to be the guide to differences between believers. Gods blessings to you.
Runawaysandwich M. Scott...
Back to page topRunawaysandwich
M. Scott Peck, M.D. wrote a book " People of The Lie " Perhaps you'd like to read it. Good Read.